tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7049191548399642431.post9177033702728997626..comments2013-01-31T11:05:41.619-06:00Comments on The WOMBman's Bible: Why Censor a Mother, Twice?J. K. Gaylehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07600312868663460988noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7049191548399642431.post-76274646946827467042010-04-26T19:46:06.487-05:002010-04-26T19:46:06.487-05:00Kurk,
I don't know enough about the history of...Kurk,<br />I don't know enough about the history of the Septuagint in Orthodoxy to be able to say. The typology is fascinating to me, though. The intertextuality and themes of the scripture readings for the vigils of feast days sort of lead one mentally to the typology, if one is paying attention.<br /><br />I do like the "fuller" bible, and the notion that not all the books "weigh" the same.<br /><br />Thanks for the encouragement re Greek.<br /><br />I've read some of E. Vasquez, nearly all the Schaeffers in an earlier life, about half of Frank's books. I appreciate his point of view, and he's still angry, so don't go there much.<br /><br />Favorite Orthodox blogger hands down:<br />www.fatherstephen.wordpress.com<br /><br />DanaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7049191548399642431.post-11439465588793713602010-04-24T22:16:54.304-05:002010-04-24T22:16:54.304-05:00Tim,
Thanks for the link to your book section, an...Tim, <br />Thanks for the link to your book section, and for the kind comment.<br /><br />Welcome Dana! <br />You have a wonderful background in German that most likely takes advantage of your God-given abilities in language learning in general. I've had many Greek classes, and taught some, I confess; but I'm a firm believer in the practice that "the learner is the best self teacher." I wonder if some of us could do more Greek learning/ teaching online.<br /><br />Your involvement in the Eastern Orthodox church is fascinating. (I really like much of the writers Edith Schaeffer, Francis A. Schaeffer, and now Frank Schaeffer, and the latter has joined EO several years back as a way to break from fundamentalism, as you know. Biblioblogger Esteban Vázquez also gives fresh perspectives as an Eastern Orthodox.) And until now, I'd not heard of the Theotokos - Uncut Mountain/Rock connection. Do you think that the Septuagint has caused and /or maintained that allusion?<br /><br />Thank you very much for your comments, your personal perspective and information!<br /><br />Bob, <br />I have tended to associate begetting with siring, and spawning, and fathering - male parent involvement or procreation specialist involvement. Robert Alter has Moses (in Psalm 90) saying this:<br /><br /><i>Before mountains were born,<br />before You spawned earth and world,<br />from forever to forever You are God.</i><br /><br />This doesn't do much for Tim, sounds horrific in English today, he says in <a href="http://bigbible.org/sansblogue/bible/the-censored-bible-translating-psalm-90/" rel="nofollow">a comment at his post</a>. The "born of the Father" phrase, that Dana mentions as part of the translated Creed, may just be a bit ironic.J. K. Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07600312868663460988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7049191548399642431.post-71309029494336263522010-04-24T19:03:52.849-05:002010-04-24T19:03:52.849-05:00begotten / born - funny my English. I have always ...begotten / born - funny my English. I have always considered both as the same - the pain of birthing, not anything less costly.Bob MacDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11335631079939764763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7049191548399642431.post-19464885936467913592010-04-24T18:27:28.507-05:002010-04-24T18:27:28.507-05:00Kurk,
I've dropped in via Suzanne's blog e...Kurk,<br />I've dropped in via Suzanne's blog every now and again. I really enjoy your thoughts, particularly WRT the Septuagint. I do so wish I had more Greek than the amount of vocabulary I recognize. My BA is in German, and God made my brain for sound; I "get" grammar/syntax/etc. But I have no one to teach me at this point, and am too distant from a university right now for regular classes. Sigh.<br /><br />The path that has opened up for me in the last few years is that of Eastern Orthodoxy; I was received last June. As you know, the Septuagint is the Orthodox OT. An interesting connection that came to my mind with this post was that with the Uncut Mountain/Rock in Daniel, which in EO is always a type of the Theotokos. That's about as maternal as can be among my tribe! Of course, there's also the translation of the Nic/Const Creed that renders "begotten of the Father" as "born of the Father before all ages". I rather like that one.<br /><br />Thanks for your work.<br /><br />Dana Ames<br />Ukiah CaliforniaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7049191548399642431.post-59674117189703976412010-04-24T12:56:02.044-05:002010-04-24T12:56:02.044-05:00Thanks so much for this interesting post, the Gree...Thanks so much for this interesting post, the Greek passages are fascinating in connection with the issues the LXX translators faced here. I wish I knew more about Greek literature. <br /><br />My treatment of Dt 32 is <a href="http://motherfather.digress.it/2-3-god%E2%80%99s-motherly-love-biblical-talk-of-the-motherly-god/#textblock-62" rel="nofollow">a section in ch.2</a> of <i>Not Only a Father</i>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7049191548399642431.post-44183270113686590042010-04-24T11:39:49.432-05:002010-04-24T11:39:49.432-05:00Bob, Your specifying other texts of tsur inspired ...Bob, Your specifying other texts of <i>tsur</i> inspired me to include some illustrations. The mother (and virgins) of Bacchae may also have been in the mind of the translation committee.J. K. Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07600312868663460988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7049191548399642431.post-76087470942448595052010-04-24T11:00:18.257-05:002010-04-24T11:00:18.257-05:00What a fascinating thesis - well done! A touch of ...What a fascinating thesis - well done! A touch of the mind of an ancient translation committee for us. tsur is an interesting study on its own - Psalm 18, Job's inscription, <a href="http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?strongs=H6697" rel="nofollow">etc</a>Bob MacDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11335631079939764763noreply@blogger.com